Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-08-21
URL: https://youtu.be/rUtq-Dx0LGo
Duration: 68:00

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[00:00] some people. It's uh Wednesday, August 20th. Thanks for joining us. We're here here on Drogram. I'm Ted R. That's John Kuryaku. Monday through Friday, 5:00 PM Eastern time. Um John, you said it's a bit of a slow news day. And I think that's kind of true because we're kind of in between a lot of things that are sort of uh in the middle of happening. But it doesn't mean that we have nothing to talk about. So, >> no, that's right. There's Hey, listen. So long as you read the New York Post every day, there's plenty to talk about. always read the New York Post. So, in no

[00:32] particular order because that's not how we do things here. Uh, and by the way, uh, please feel free to chime in with your uh, your questions inside the Rumble or the YouTube chat if you're joining us live. If you're listening to us later on, thank you so much for joining us and do consider joining us live if you ever have the chance. All right, so New York Times has a piece today about the it's a deep dive about uh, voter registration. Democrats are getting clobbered on voter registration. um they've lost and half million voters to the Republicans in just 30 out of 50

[01:03] states between 20 and 2024. So, we'll talk about that and what it means for the Democratic party. Um Fox News hosts, not surprisingly, they tend to be in the tank for Donald Trump, although there was once a time, remember, when the order went out like not to do that, but they they changed their mind. Anyway, um there's a lawsuit, a lot of def a lot of discovery that turned private information into public records. Now, we know that people like Janine Piro, we have their internal communications with people like Sean Hannity, uh and they're

[01:35] squabbbling and super super interesting. We'll get into sort of some inside Fox News dish and uh you know, let's see if they should even be pretending to be objective reporters. Oklahoma. >> Yeah. now wants to is has is subjecting teachers only from New York and California to a test to determine whether they're too woke to teachers in Oklahoma or not. Uh Israel literally

[02:06] just um within the last hour reinvaded Gaza. That was anticipated. We'll get into that. They're currently fighting in Kunis and in Gaza City. Um, and Israel has officially declared effectively the death of the two-state solution, uh, at least in the West Bank. That kind of makes it the whole thing. That E1 project that we talked about the other day, has now been formally approved, and we'll we'll get into all that. Um, there's a few other things going on. The redistricting battles are still

[02:37] happening, and of course, we're looking to see if any progress is going to be made uh on the peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. John, what would you like to do first? >> Well, you know what? Let's start with the Middle East just because it's so near and dear to my heart. I had I had a really lovely um coffee meeting this morning with a young intern from the Jordanian embassy. He watches the show. He reached out on LinkedIn. I can never say no to a cup of coffee. So, we we got together today and it was a it was a

[03:08] really delightful conversation. Um, but one of the things that that he reminded me of that I actually had I guess pushed back into the sort of the recesses of my of my brain is that many Palestinians, especially Palestinians in the diaspora, especially in the Middle Eastern diaspora, don't like each other. Right? It's partly a generational thing. It's in

[03:40] some cases a uh a religious thing because you know it used to be that 10% of the Palestinians in Palestine were Christian like 8020 Orthodox and Catholic. Um most of the Palestinian Christians have have immigrated to the West and most of them to the United States or Australia and it's left a lot of very angry refugees in the in the in the region. 50% of the population of Jordan is

[04:10] Palestinian, but but they're divided by generation. They're divided by whether they are the descendants of Palestinian refugees from 1948 from the Nakba or if they're recent arrivals. >> There are some Palestinians who moved to the Persian Gulf and worked for 30 years and made tons of money and then have gone back and now all of a sudden they're doing better than most Jordanians are doing. So he said in the west, especially in the United States, one of the things

[04:41] that he's noticed is that even those of us or especially those of us who are pro Palestinian, we have this this idea that Palestinians are monolithic and they're not. And they're not. >> That's super interesting. >> Yeah. And that's why >> that's true. Yeah, >> the the reason the way we got on to that conversation was we were talking about the one-state solution versus the two-state solution. And I said, you know, there there already is one state. How's that working out for everybody?

[05:12] Not very well. You can't really have a two-state solution because you've got Mahmud Abbas who's like I always say 19 years into a four-year term and suddenly finds himself to be a billionaire despite the fact that his people are among the poorest in the world. >> He's just a good investor. >> Yeah. Apparently just like Marjorie Taylor Green. >> That's right. Good speculator. And then, you know, you've got the three-state solution, which nobody wants to talk about because there's really no connection between East Bank uh sorry,

[05:44] East Bank, West Bank Palestinians and and Gaza Palestinians. So, what's the solution? Even the Palestinians don't have a proposed solution. And now today, we've got the Israelis reinvading Gaza City. Why? just so they can kill the people who managed to escape last time and blow up the tunnels that uh that the Israelis were responsible for digging in the first place. >> Now, John, I have to say uh you know, the shadow of all of this reinvasion is of course uh the ceasefire deal, right?

[06:16] So, there's a current ceasefire deal on the table. Hamas has already officially signed off all the remaining hostages, the 20 uh the 20 live ones and the 30 corpses would be released. Um and this would be a 60-day ceasefire and the deadline for it is on Friday. I mean, this is Israel's answer, right? Basically, no ceasefire. >> Yeah. No ceasefire. No way. Remember, >> they don't care about the hostages. They don't care.

[06:46] >> They don't care. They don't care. And they made it clear from from the very beginning that they don't care. And like we always said, there's a benefit to Benjamin Netanyahu for this thing to go on forever because so long as the the war continues and Netanyahu remains prime minister, he's not going to be prosecuted for for corruption, right? So why >> Thank you so much for Thank you so much uh Hey Mike, for the very generous $100

[07:17] donation. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Hey, Mike. Thank you so much. Yeah. And tomorrow I'm going to be on with Eric. Who's Eric? >> Who's probably >> Let me look at my calendar. I probably am. I I don't know my calendar for one one day to the next. >> Well, you can always check the scroll here. People here do know it. They know more about us than we know. Maybe it's your old colleagues in Langley. Um tapping your phone. Yeah.

[07:48] >> Uh oh, they're not supposed to do that. Only for >> No, they're not supposed to. But anyway, getting back to Israel, I'm I I'm always pessimistic when it comes to Israel and Palestine. I'm even more pessimistic today, Ted, than I was yesterday. >> Um, >> yeah, it's not good. >> Yeah. Although, what's funny, I'm short-term very pessimistic like you. Long-term, I'm more pessimist. I mean, I'm I'm more optimistic. Um, I think you know, like we've talked about before, the more of this [ __ ] that Israel pulls, the lower their approval rating goes,

[08:18] the lower their support in the US goes, the less the the more the safer it is for American politicians to cut them off and the more isolated they're going to be diplomatically, including at the UN, which the General Assembly meets here in New York next month. Um, it's I mean I think they're they're really cutting off their noses despite their faces and over and over. >> Ted, there was a poll that was released today. Absolutely fascinating. And you know you you know how obsessed I am with polls, but this was a global poll

[08:49] >> and it ranked every country by how their citizens answered if they were strongly pro- Israel, moderately pro-Israel, moderately anti-Israel, strongly anti-Israel. There were only three countries in the world that are pro-Israel by majority >> out of 200 or so. >> One of one of them is Israel. >> Okay. >> One one of them is the United States. >> Okay. >> And and the third inexplicably to me was

[09:21] Nigeria. >> Yeah. >> What? >> And everybody else in the world is majority anti-Israel. The world. >> That's crazy. There should be did they track how that looked compared to previous years? >> Yeah. And it's it's moved dramatically. >> Dramatically. Um, interestingly, outside the Middle East proper, to use the British terminology, um, Turkey was the most anti-Israel um, country in the

[09:53] outside the Middle East. >> Well, that's a dramatic change. I mean, >> dramatic change. >> Is that a I mean, they used to almost be sort of allies. I mean, >> very much so, >> right? >> Yes. Very much. >> Remember during the big earthquake, uh, they came to help out. >> Yes. Doctors and rescue teams and trained dogs and all that stuff. >> Is that an Erdogan thing or what's the story there? >> Yeah. Erdogan has moved farther and farther toward the religious types over the years. And then we when he made this decision to publicly support Hamas, that

[10:25] was the end of it. And that's when the Greeks moved in to become pro-Israel. It was the Greeks that were always pro Palestinian. And when the Turks switched, the Greeks switched. Interestingly, in Greece, combining strongly anti-Israel and moderately anti-Israel, in Greece, it was 74% that are anti-Israel, despite the fact that the Greek government bows down before the Israeli government. Fascinating to me. But but but the

[10:57] lesson here, at least the lesson that I took from it, >> is that the Israelis are dragging us down with them. >> You know, so many Americans believe that if you're anti-Netanyahu, that means you're anti-Semitic. And that you have to be in lock step with the farthest right-wing elements of the Israeli government to not be anti-semitic. And that is utter nonsense. Well, it's insane to give any country uh who's making their own decisions uh for their own domestic political uh you know

[11:27] reasons and to give them a blank check and basically say whatever you guys do in and around your neighborhood >> we're on board with no matter what. I mean you know it's like look it's like if your friend is out basically we Israel is like our really bad friend. Yes. They're staying up late. They're cheating on their wife. They're like they're they're they're drinking. They're drinking and driving. They're uh you know trying to outrun the police and they're calling all the time. You say you're their one quarter. You have to go and bail them out all the time. You're

[11:58] always and and and you get blamed for what they do. You're enabling them. It's your car that they're doing it with. And like I mean they're literally shooting Palestinians with made in USA weapons. Um yeah. I mean it literally and it's like uh you know so when 9/11s happened my only thing the only thing that I found I found it shocking but I didn't find it surprising. The only surprise is that things like that don't happen all the time. >> Totally agree. Totally agree. So I hate

[12:30] to say it but the bottom line for me today is there's no reason to be optimistic optimistic on on Palestine today. No reason at all. >> Let's talk about the settlements. So yeah, >> uh it it continues, right? Like um these 700,000 uh illegal West Bank colonists, aka quote unquote settlers. I don't like the word settler because it kind of implies that nobody was living there before. That's right. >> Which is far from true. And um anyway, and they're running rampant. So the um

[13:03] the uh Israeli government has just officially said they've just um green lit this E1 settlement project um 3,400 new units. So um you know I don't know how many average uh what's the average family size in one of those units but you got to figure let's say three at least right at least. >> So at least 10,000 more people um are coming in there further slicing and dicing the Palestinian communities. But the big news here is the reason that the Israelis are the right-wingers are so

[13:35] excited about it is that this completely severs the West Bank proper from East Jerusalem, which was always intended to be the capital of a new of a of a future Palestinian state. >> And this is basically saying, we've completely annexed East Jer Jerusalem, which has already happened, and you're not even gonna we're not we're never letting you back. That's it. You can't even come to visit. Yeah, it it makes me sick to my stomach. Um, and you know,

[14:05] just to make matters even worse, or not even, I won't even say it like that, I'll say just to add insult to injury, what the Israelis tend to do in the weeks and months before they seize Palestinian land is they'll go in and bulldoze the olive orchards, for example, or set fire to to the crops just so it makes it easier for you to just leave on your own. And if you don't finally leave, they'll bulldo the house

[14:35] >> and then build one of their prefab houses and have some family from New Jersey or New York or wherever move into to this new house on land that's been in in these families for hundreds of years. >> Why do they bulldo Why do they bulldoze the house? A lot of times these are perfectly fine structures. >> Yeah. In fact, in in Jerusalem, in East Jerusalem, they they generally keep the houses and just turn it over to a Jewish family. But um but the um the condition of so many of these houses in the West

[15:08] Bank is so poor. They're they're thrown together with, >> you know, scraps and and concrete block and whatever. >> They're not really they shouldn't be habitable. >> Yeah. They're >> But people are so desperate that this is all they can do. They're poor. Yeah. >> And and their their their olive trees have been stolen or destroyed. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Well, I have to admit, um, you know, obviously, uh, always my my loyalty here is with the Palestinians and, uh, you know, I mean,

[15:38] they will maintain the struggle. So, that >> Yes, they will. Hey, >> good. And we need to thank firmware and Houdini both. Thank you so much for your generous contributions. >> Oh my god, thank you so much. Yeah. Um, like the scroll is going on here. Thank you so much. Um, yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's that's crazy, right? As Houdini points out, the olive trees are 4,000 years old. They're some of the oldest >> things on the on the planet. >> Yes, they are. >> I was uh I I was um once at a panel

[16:11] discussion with other authors and there was this woman who's was the author of a book about the oldest things on earth. Um and some of the oldest things on earth are trees. There's some like shrub >> trees. There's some shrub in Africa that's like doesn't look like much, but it's like six or seven thousand years old. There's a giant sea sponge that's thousands of years old in the Atlantic Ocean. >> Wow. >> Um, and there's some giant underground mushroom complex. >> Oh, yeah. >> That goes for acres and acres. It's out

[16:43] in like Oregon or something. >> Yeah. >> There there's a there's an olive tree in Cit 3,200 years old. It's the oldest olive tree in in Greece. You know, when I was living in Athens, I lived in this normal, you know, suburban house, this 5-year-old house, but I had a a 300-year-old olive tree in my front yard. And my first Yeah. My first year that I was there, um, it it started making olives and and the olives started to ripen. So, I asked a guy at the embassy, I said, "Hey, I have this olive

[17:13] tree. It's making beautiful olives. I don't know what to do with it." He said, "Oh, no. We we'll take care of it. You have a choice." He says, "We call the olive company, the olive harvesting company, and you can do two things. You can either pay them to harvest the olives, >> or you give them the olives to harvest >> and they give you five gallons of the olive oil that it creates." >> Yeah. Because there's a lot of processing with olives. You can't eat

[17:43] them off the tree. >> No. No. They're terrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I ended up using olive oil from my own olives for for years. Three, four, five years. I had that olive oil. It was amazing. >> That's cool. So, >> and it's 300 years old. >> It's 300 years old and absolutely delicious. >> Just think about that. Like that that blows my mind when I think about like, you know, what the world was like uh in 1725, right? >> Yeah. Just in my little yard, I had a peach tree, a plum tree, an orange tree,

[18:14] a lemon tree. I had the olives and I had a big uh tortoise. >> Oh, really? Where's the >> He would just eat the fruits that would fall off the tree. >> Oh, wow. Was he Oh, so he was like uh wild. He was >> Yeah, it was I I looked it up. It's called an Addican tortoise. >> Oh god, it sounds I would feel like a king if I had those things. Every morning I'd wake up and I'd feel a little bit happy just because of that. >> It was good. It was good. I liked it. >> Um okay, so I think we'll leave that there. Uh, what should we talk about?

[18:46] Should we? >> And thank you. Thank you to uh to Matthew as well, who also has a question. Thoughts on Trump making cartels as terrorists. I don't think we've really talked about that in any in any depth. Um, when when Trump first said that he was going to classify or have the State Department classify the drug cartels as terrorist groups, I said that it was it was a bureaucratic move because it would free up funding for the intelligence community that otherwise is not focused on drugs to begin things

[19:16] like intercepting the communications of of cartel uh leaders. And a lot of people predicted that we would start using offensive capabilities against the cartels like drones. That hasn't happened. >> No. >> Do you see any reason why there's a benefit to to uh classifying the cartels as terrorist groups? >> Well, I mean, when you under American law, right, when you classify anything as a terrorist group, uh it opens up, you know, you can pretty much do

[19:47] anything you want. You don't need an act you don't need an authorization from Congress. I think it's because you can rely on the 2001 post 911 author authorization to use military force that basically has never been expired, right, as far as I know. And anything related to terrorism in general or specifically al Qaeda or anyone who may or may not have been responsible for 911 or anything like 911 blah blah blah blah, it's so open-ended. So, um I think that's why uh there's this this it's

[20:18] very tempting for the government to just classify anything that they don't like, including bad weather, as a terrorist. >> That's right. Terrorist. >> Yeah, >> that's exactly right. >> Um should we talk about these t There's We should definitely touch upon the redistricting. Uh oh, >> there I am. >> There we go. Okay. I thought it was me again. >> No, that was me. I uh the I have a Mac

[20:50] and the iOS has sort of this quirk where if you move the magic mouse a little too fast, it just swipes you off. >> Yes. Yes. >> I hate that. >> Mine does that, too. I also >> I tried to see if And there's apparently a setting that you can supposedly get rid of that, but it doesn't work. So, we miss you, Steve Jobs. Come back. Um, get rid of the Apple Watch while you're at it. Okay. So, uh, let's talk about the, uh, redistricting thing. You wanted to bring that up. >> I did want to bring it up. The Texas House is prepared now to vote in favor

[21:22] of redrawing, uh, congressional district boundaries, which would likely result in the loss of five Democratic House seats in Texas. Uh Gavin Newsome has already had prepared um a uh a comparable measure, but the system is different in California. This has to go to a referendum. So he would have to call a special election. >> Well, they're used to that in California. They have >> all the time. >> They have them all the time. U the RNC, the Republican National Committee, has

[21:53] committed $15 million in advertising to defeat it, and they've been successful in the past. >> Won't work this time. Um, and so now New York, Republican, California, California's GOP is dead. >> It's got nothing going on. >> Gone. Um, New York and Illinois are jumping in saying that they're now considering redrawing their district boundaries. But, but Missouri and Florida have also jumped in saying that

[22:25] they're going to redraw to make it easier for Republicans. We have never seen anything like this in the history of the republic. This is just such bad form and it's such, you know, sour grapes and it's the worst of jerrymandering. Now, interestingly enough, this afternoon, a federal judge out of thin air, >> Thank you, Marble, by the way. >> Thank you, Marble. A federal judge ruled

[22:56] that Mississippi's district boundaries are illegally gerrymandered. So now Mississippi is going to be forced to redraw its boundaries even though it didn't want to. And it's going to have to add a majority black district. >> So >> I mean gerrymandering's been with us I mean you know >> oh since the 18th century, >> right? It's one of the very It may be the first well certainly the most well-known early American political

[23:26] cartoon, right? It's the gerrymander uh in which some district voter some ugly looking voter district I guess in Massachusetts I think it was um is just basically drawn up into the into the form of a horrible like dragon-like monster. Yes. Um, and uh, you know, it's so and it's I think it's Ben Franklin, if I'm not mistaken, who created that cartoon. Um, >> it it it ran in Ben Franklin's paper. Do you know the uh, do you know the background to it? It was um, Elbridge

[23:58] Garry, Ge R Y, but it was pronounced Gary. He was the fourth vice president of the United States. >> Oh, wow. >> And he had been um, the governor of Massachusetts. So he was, I think, Madison's vice president. So he was intensely partisan and in order to get his friends elected to Congress, he just took out a map of of Massachusetts and he drew the district boundaries. And when Benjamin

[24:31] Franklin saw them, um, he said that they looked like salamanders and he called them Gary's salamanders. And that became Gary Mander, which then over the years became gerrymander. He's also little little bit of trivia from John's someday to be published cemeteries book. He's the only vice president of the United States to be buried inside Washington, DC. >> Oh, really? Where is he? Where is he buried? >> He's at Congressional Cemetery up on

[25:02] Capitol Hill. There it is. There's the gerrymander. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. kind of kind of a cool cartoon. And >> it really is. It really is. >> Not and I doubt it's really the original first one, but you know, uh yeah. Anyway, >> I like it. >> Yeah, me too. So, all right. So, um Yeah. So, I mean, look, let's get to the the politics of this. I mean, so obviously the gerrymandering is is going to is a pace,

[25:32] but it seem this to me this really uh destroys like uh respect for the system, right? I mean, we're just living in an incredibly toxic time. It seems like these two parties are far more interested in playing these kind of sick sorted, you know, sleazy games um behind the scenes than representing the interests of the American people. I mean, there's nobody sitting around thinking, "Okay, what's what's afflicting most people?" There's no Democrats or Republicans thinking, you

[26:03] know, there's people who can't afford food, everything's expensive, or you know, kids people can't send their kids to college even though they're really smart, >> or what, you know, on and on and on. They're doing this [ __ ] instead. >> Yeah, you're exactly right. You're exactly right. And I think it just increases it furthers contempt for the system. >> It does. And and it it brings us back to the comment you made at the very start of the show about things going so badly for the Democrats.

[26:33] The Democrats are bleeding members and money and nobody trusts them. And it's not that the Republicans are that much more popular. It's that the Democrats are just so backward. >> Yeah. So let's be clear here because it's a really complicated picture, right? So first of all, Democratic voter I'll try to pull up a chart of this, but basically Democratic voter registration visav Republicans is collapsing, but

[27:04] overall affiliation is also declining. So more and more Americans are ident the biggest the fastest growing group is really unaffiliated voters in only in 20 out of 50 states. uh you can't you you don't register as a Democrat or Republican or anything else. By the way, you can register as a Green or a Libertarian or anything you want, a socialist, but uh 30 out of 50 states you can or and so uh in those states people are just like fleeing uh they're

[27:35] fleeing the Democrats much faster than they're fleeing the Republicans. John, I have a theory about what's going on here, which is um I think that as the Democratic Party and the Republican party, but the Democrats more, they've they've they're no longer a political movement that promotes an ideology. They're a team. >> And when and you ident like most of my friends basically are parts of team blue. They identify with the Democratic Party because it they've always been dem they're Democrats because they're

[28:06] Democrats. the Democratic party h can change radically in on policies like hey let's start wars all over the place when you know 30 40 50 years ago that's not really who they were. Um and the Republicans were the hawk party but they're still Democrats. Once a Democrat always a Democrat. Republicans also it's a team. When you're on team red you know you you know there's even Republican fashions right? Like there's even like women wear more makeup if they're Republican. There's a way to look.

[28:38] There's a car, you know, like there's a kind of car you're more likely to buy. So, it's this reminds me of Bzantium where there were the the blue and the red chariot teams. And at first, it started out like it was just entertainment, but over the centuries, it evolved into political parties. There were riots. Um, and it got to the point where if you were from a red chariot family or you would not let your daughter marry a guy from a blue chariot family. And we're seeing that, too. So,

[29:09] if it's a team and not an ideology, well, you're going to you're going to go with the cooler team, the team that seems to win more, that seems to have more pizzazz. And since 2016, the team that's had more pizzazz has been the GOP. That's my theory. I think you've hit it right on the head. If I were to ask myself who who's the leader of the Democratic Party, I could come up with 20 different names or zero names.

[29:41] >> Right. By the way, Gavin Newsome, my favorite governor, seems to be like really having a moment these days. He he wants to be the big uh the big kahuna and he's doing it basically by mimicking Donald Trump like he goes on Donald right he he's does all cap >> tweets and and like basically sad exclamation point >> tends to be Donald tries to be Donald Trump. Um I as a student of politics I think it's

[30:13] always a mistake to be uh you know adopting or even satarizing someone else's framing. I think it's always better to have your own framing and try to make that framing better. Am I wrong? >> No, I think you are exactly right. >> Yes, I think you're right. >> But it's it's like Ted, they don't they don't have an appreciation for it. It's like they don't see what the rest of the country sees. When when only, you know, 24 or 25% of Americans consider

[30:45] themselves to be Democrats. >> Yeah. That's that's not a brag. >> That's a problem. >> That's a problem that you should be dealing with. >> John, you must remember in ' 04, I think it was, two guys wrote a book called a best-selling book called The Emerging Democratic Majority. I remember 21 years ago the theory was that the Republican party was obsolete, would never win. Uh remember when Obama was president, more recent, right? The the the Democrats got

[31:16] rid of the judicial filibuster reasoning that the Republicans would never control the Senate ever again, >> ever again. >> Never. And they said that that once Texas turned blue, and it was turning blue, it was imminent, >> right? >> That no Republican presidential candidate would ever win again. >> It was impossible. >> They would have to come up with a new party, this new political realignment. And of course, that was all ridiculous. >> And and obviously, yeah, it couldn't be

[31:48] more different. Now, I mean, look, let let's get into some statistics here, right? So 4.5 million registered voter registered voters, right? This isn't even swing voters who are like I'm a reg like I'm a registered Democrat in New York, right? But I could, you know, I could vote for a Republican if I want. That's not even that. This is me like calling the board of elections and saying [ __ ] the Democratic party. I'm moving over to the Republicans, which requires work, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have to work at it. >> So So that's in just 2020 to 2024.

[32:18] Now, that's a Biden effect, I think, in in in large part. And looking back at that, it's like, God, the way they clung to Biden, you know, I mean, what a catastrophe. And the other thing is they had this assumption like voter Democratic voter registration moves, which are basically usually run by third party organizations, not third parties, but like not the Democratic party, like labor unions and uh NOS's and so on. They'll like go out and register people. and they'll say, "Oh, let's just register a bunch of black guys because

[32:51] blacks always vote Democratic." And they did, >> right? >> Until they didn't. >> And and let's they always assumed >> that all that was wrong from the outset. >> Yeah. >> Um and so now >> they don't know what to do. And then the Democrats in today's New York Times find themselves in the awkward position of having to confide that they're really no longer interested in just registering minorities. They really want to just register Democrats and they're trying to figure out how to do that. How can they

[33:21] find their would-be Democratic voters? >> Oh, if only there was a way to appeal to to to the to get the Democratic party to be more popular. I don't know, get better candidates with good with good issues and good publicity. >> You would think. I I had a I had a conversation today with a with two Swedish professors. they have a podcast and and we were talking exactly about this issue and I said, you know, when when it's the Democrats who used to be

[33:53] in the streets to protest the war in Vietnam, the Democrats who used to be in the streets to protest the invasion of Iraq, the Democrats that used to be opposed to everinccreasing uh Pentagon budgets, who are now being endorsed by Dick Cheney, Right. It was Dick Cheney endorsed Kla Harris for president. Then you know you have a serious problem. And they trumpeted that like it was the best

[34:24] thing that had ever happened. >> Yeah. And Dick Cheney. >> Horrible. She went on tour with Horrible Liz. >> That's right. Like it was like it was a a positive thing. >> Like it was a get. >> Yeah, it was. It was a get. It's nuts. >> It's totally crazy. Yeah. I I don't know who these people are. And then of course, obviously, meanwhile, they had good, reliable left-wing voters. All the

[34:54] Bernie people, all would have voted Democratic, every last one of them. But they told all whatever seven or nine or 12 million of them, however many there are, because it's hard to guesstimate. There's so many, it's hard to count them, right? >> Um that basically we don't need you. We're gonna we're going to find our votes from the center. You still see that song on the editorial pages of all the major newspapers now. We need a good reli sensible centrist. That's what we need, >> right?

[35:25] >> Yeah. There's no center. You know, I said that in this talk with the Swedes today, too, that my very best friend from childhood, he's a Republican, a mega Republican, and he's always yelling about the radical left. And I said to him not too long ago, I said, "Gary, what exactly is radical about the left? You keep using that word. You every time you talk about Democrats, you call them the radical left. What is it that's so radical?" And he thought about it for a

[35:56] second and he said, 'Well, the Green New Deal. I said, 'Okay, so what's so radical about the Green New Deal? And he didn't know because he doesn't know what the Green New Deal is. It's just that Fox News keeps calling it radical, radical, radical, so it must be radical. And now we've got this giant split down the middle. So I said to the Swedes, I said, "Look, we've got a right of center party and we have a farther right of center party." And now Elon Musk at all want to put another right of center

[36:27] party in the middle of the two right of center parties that we already have. That's where our politics are today. >> Robbie's got a question too. What about what about rank choice voting? We have rank choice voting here in Arlington County, Virginia, which works beautifully. Alaska has it and it, you know, allowed a Democrat to be elected to one term in the House of Representatives. But uh >> it also gave us Eric Adams here in New York though. >> Well, that's true actually. >> And every New Yorker, John, has to re

[37:00] has to absorb this >> 60page voter guide >> which has never mind all the crazy chart. I should I always like to keep this as me. So, this is like this is all it's like the SATs. >> Yeah, you got to study it. Uh, >> when I went to vote, I I screwed up. Now, granted, I only went to an Ivy League school, so I'm not that smart, but I screwed up. And I went over and I said, "I'm really sorry. I screwed it up." And the lady had a giant bin of of

[37:32] of spoiled ballots, >> you know, and I live in a neighborhood next to, you know, a major university. >> Yeah. >> One that's been in the news for being anti-Semitic, >> right? >> Yeah. So, >> Oh, good grief. It's it's nuts. Yeah. No, rank choice I don't think rank I look I think rank choice vote voting works when it votes works and it doesn't work when it doesn't work you know I mean >> I think you know I think it in certain particular circumstances like it would really the Bernie bros loved it because

[38:03] they were like there were so many people who were like well I really want to vote for Hillary more but I still like Bernie and I would vote him for him second. It's kind of like a John Hughes movie where it's like that, you know, Molly Ringwald likes John, but she would also date Ted if John were like not around and maybe if Ted had a better car. >> And so that's like so that's what rank choice voting is like. And uh but and I but I don't think that plays out really in a lot of cases. I think people in

[38:34] most cases are like >> you're lucky if they like even one candidate. Uh the Gracemeister uh is asking when was the last Democratic presidential primary open presidential primary. I mean technically I guess it was 20 uh uh 20 but not really because the fix was in for Biden. It would have been 2008, but even that was supposed to be the Hillary coronation and it came down to just Hillary and uh and uh Obama. So when was the last time that it was truly open? It

[39:07] has to be like 92, right? >> Well, 92. Yeah. The fix was still in to some extent, right? I mean, it's Yeah. And I was there um in the convention hall when that happened. Um I'm trying to think like when it was really thrown open. I don't know, John. I'd have to go back to 1980. I'd have to say um >> for the Democrats when Ted >> challenged Jimmy Carter >> even though also I was in the hall for

[39:38] that and let me I was a young man I was 17 and let me just say the party they pulled they went full spectrum DNC in 1980 they changed the rules >> so that uh so that Carter would get the nomination. I'm convinced that Ted Kennedy would have had a better shot against Reagan in terms of uh you know, a more enthusiastic liberal base. Um, you know, we really we lost out when we didn't get Ted Ted Kennedy uh to you know, possibly be the president of the United States with all of his flaws.

[40:10] Don't let him drive your daughter home. But >> yeah, don't let him drive your daughter home. Yeah, ask Mary Joe Capeknney about that. Well, you can't. But yeah, I agree. I agree. >> Should we talk about Ted? >> Go ahead, >> Ted. Sorry, one one more question. We're three and a half years out from or three years plus a couple of months out from the next uh election, but we're only really a year and a half out from the start of the primary.

[40:40] >> Yes. >> So, I is a year and a half enough time for the Democrats to get their act together? >> No [ __ ] way. I mean, not to mention, look, you remember the last person who really nationalized a midterm election was N. Gingrich in 1994 with the >> contract with America. >> Brilliant um brilliant politics, not really brilliant policy. >> And um you know, I mean, I think you need a figure like that who can unify the de Democratic party. John, do you see a Keem Jeff doing that?

[41:11] >> Not a chance. I'll tell you what, every time I see a Jeff his ass in the morning. >> No. Every time I see him on TV, I like him less. To the point now I don't even want to hear his voice. What a tool. He's a tool of the of the Hillary Clinton element of the DNC. >> Yeah. >> There's nothing progressive about this guy at all. Nothing. >> No. And he's and he's impotent. >> I mean, you know, hand you know, Nancy Pelosi for all of her numerous flaws.

[41:42] Well, except she's a really cany investor also. Um, you know, aside from for but she at least, you know, she was a strong woman. Mama be there. Yeah. She ran she ran a tight ship. >> Yeah. Yes, indeed. >> So, yeah. No, I don't think the No, I mean, look, I think the Democrats are going to Here's the thing. The wild card is these redistricting battles, but there's a lot more pickups possible for the Republicans than there are for the Democrats. Yes. I I have to say I don't see a road to victory next year for the

[42:13] Democrats. I don't see I don't see where it comes from. I mean, even if there's a tremendous scandal in the GOP, even if Trump imploded somehow, and I don't think that's going to happen, then I still don't see how the Democrats can take advantage. I mean, I think their best shot is in 2028 to nominate someone spectacular as president and hope that they hope that he had he or she has coattails. And I don't think they'll have coattails because Democrats don't

[42:44] have a farm system. Obama got rid of the farm system >> such as it was. And I mean, I think the Democratic part is in real trouble. I mean, you know, we don't want to write them off completely like the GOP was written off completely. Obviously, um GOP was written off completely in 1964. >> Boy, was it. >> And but >> 19 1974 >> in a two-party system, one party can always come back, but it's like but I don't think I don't see it happening anytime soon. >> No, >> totally agree. Totally agree.

[43:17] >> So, speaking of elections, um I love I love love love this story about Janine Piro and Fox News. So, basically, Smartmatic uh sued Fox News three four years ago for $2.7 billion dollars for defaming their voting machines for saying that they were used by the Democrats to throw the election to Trump. Janine Beriro, who is now the attorney general of the District of Columbia. >> No, she's the US attorney,

[43:49] >> US attorney for District Columbia and and not defending the people of the district from the military invasion. No, she's defending the cops from sandwiches, >> right? So, but it's not just her. Um, there apparently there were all these internal deliberations and basically she's quoted in saying things about how uh she so she so for example uh here's a quote here's one of my favorite quotes. Um Janine Janine goes I work so hard for

[44:20] the president and the body and and the party. Uh, she said she uh she only cared about one thing, which was getting a pardon for her ex-husband. I don't even know what he did. Um, do you know? >> No idea. But I asked her to help me and I talked to her assistant and she says, "20,000." And I said, "Come on, man. I don't have 20,000. I'm just asking for a tweet. Just just a tweet. Pardon Kuryaku. 20,000." I said, "Forget it."

[44:52] >> Wow. The only interaction I've h I've had with her, I was on the show once and 20,000. I said, "Forget it." And she never invited me back. >> Do you think Do you think it would have worked? >> No. >> So, there's that, too. >> Yeah. >> Uh such high prices, such low, such small servings. Um >> awful people. >> So, I guess so also among the other stuff that came out is a lot of squabbbling inside in F Fox. It's all from the discovery process, right? When

[45:24] you sue someone, you can get all their internal communications and read all that stuff. Um, so anyway, some of this is really juicy, right? So here's Jesse Waters, who's on, you're probably familiar if you watch the five as I do every day or I did every day until we got this show. Um, he was talking to Greg Gutfeld. Uh, think about all the incred how incredible our ratings would be in 2020 if Fox went allin on Stop the Steel, which was of course Trump's

[45:54] attempt to overthrow to overturn the election uh or to just sort of deny that that there was any way that Biden could legitimately win. Um, and and basically there's a lot of behindthe-scenes stuff about how much Sean Hannity is a mad egotist, which really comes as no surprise to anyone. >> There's a shock. >> Apparently, this is my favorite moment. He walked into the Oval Office, you know, where the presidents of the United States, the leader of the free world, the commander and chief of the armed

[46:25] forces is hanging out, throws his [ __ ] his files or paperwork, whatever, on the uh Resolute desk and just basically says announces, "I got to take a piss and goes and use the private ba the president's private bathroom without asking permission." Like, it's his joint. And basically, he's just swinging his dick around, literally. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. I don't even know what to say to that. >> I mean, it's just it's such a I mean, honestly, that TV show Succession, it

[46:55] turns out that that that's a documentary. >> And you know, in all seriousness, that's why they took VEP off the air because all that crazy [ __ ] that happened in VEP actually started happening in real life in the Trump administration. They canceled the show. >> Totally insane. So, yeah. So, I don't know. It's just worth knowing. I mean, >> John, do you think the Oh, oh, by the way, I should say that Fox was really pissed that this all came out and that

[47:26] they're getting their asses kicked in all of these defamation cases. They claim that they're using their god-given first amendment right >> to express their free speech and that they're being censored by the man for uh by these defamation claims. The only thing that pisses me off about these defamation claims is that apparently you have to be a giant multinational corporation in order to be able to take on a cable news station like Fox News, which, you know, slimes people every single day, but they can't do anything

[47:56] about it. >> Yes. I'm going to add something, too. Yesterday, I got a letter uh not a welcome letter. Uh oh. >> Saying that um that I'm going to be called as a witness in um in a uh defamation case against Rudy Giuliani. >> Oh boy. >> Yeah. Because that son of a [ __ ] tried to squeeze $2 million out of me for a pardon back when five and a half years

[48:28] ago. And the story just keeps bubbling along and bubbling along. Who's the plaintiff, if I may? >> It's It's Noel Duny. She used to be his assistant and his her he she was his director of business development at Giuliani Partners. Um, apparently the day that the New York Times story came out where I was quoted as saying that he tried to squeeze me for 2 million, um, he said to her that son of a [ __ ] Kiryaku ratted me out to the New York

[49:00] Times. That's what she's alleging in the lawsuit. He then called the New York Times and said that he and I had never met. He didn't know who I was, the meeting never took place, and that I had made the whole thing up. So, I told the reporter from the Times, I said, "That idiot forgot that we took a picture together." >> OMG. >> Uhhuh. So, I sent the I sent the picture to the selfies. >> I sent the picture to the Times and the Times said Giuliani denied denied

[49:31] denied. The Times has seen documentary proof that the meeting took place. >> John, um, what is her claim exactly? Why is she suing Giuliani? >> Her claim is that he never paid her over the course of a year and a half. It was just promises, promises, promises. And then he sexually assaulted her twice by forcing her forcing her to perform sexual acts on him in exchange for him

[50:03] not ruining her reputation in the Republican party. >> But this is a defamation claim. Where's the defamation piece? >> He ended up ruining her reputation in the Republican party. >> Yeah. So she's suing him for millions of dollars. Isn't he broke though? >> He says he is. Her her attorneys are arguing that he has more than $100 million hidden in overseas accounts. >> Good luck getting him. >> Yeah,

[50:33] >> if that's true, >> it's cuz I don't have enough problems in my life. I'm going to get involved in Rudy Giuliani's uh [ __ ] >> Well, you'll just have to give a defamation. I mean a uh not What am I What am I saying? A deposition. >> Deposition. I'll do a deposition and be done with it. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean that's no fun. >> And just all you do is you just tell the truth. >> That's it. >> Just tell the truth. That's it. >> Yeah. I mean, >> and then you get up and leave. >> Yeah. Yeah. And And you know Yeah. I mean, I've I've done this. It's as you know, you've done this.

[51:04] >> Um Yeah. It's it's nothing to nothing to fear here. Um >> Yeah. >> Awful. >> Oh, okay. So, here Oh, Robbie, thank you so much for this. Yeah, Albert Albert Piro was arrested and convicted in 2000 on 34 chances accounts of conspiracy and tax evasion. He had improperly deducted over a million bucks in personal expenses for his lavish lifestyle as a business writeoff for his real estate business. He served 17 months in prison.

[51:35] He got disbarred, although his law license got reinstated in ' 07. In January of 21, as one of his last acts, Trump did pardon Albert Piro, uh the arrest and conviction were s were significant. I don't know what the count whatever. I don't know what the rest of that is. Okay. But anyway, that's good to know. I I'm >> 34 counts. 34 felony counts of conspiracy intent. >> You know, those You know, those counts can add up. >> Yeah, they do. >> Um you know, they I always assume that

[52:06] everyone's overcharged. Um So um okay so we can I do want I really want to well I want to talk about everything here. Uh let's talk about the main topic that we had here. Um so AI is has been used all these AI chat models uh like chat GPT these large language models um and Grock uh which is uh X Elon Musk's company and there's Google AI they've all been scraping

[52:38] intellectual property from all over the internet in order to quote unquote train themselves. So if you're if you go do a search on Google about anything like for example uh you know tell me about the status of uh Israel's invasion of Gaza you'll get search results like in the old days to links but you're on top you'll see Google AI and uh it will summarize the current sit the answer to your question whatever it is and it might may or may not have two tiny one

[53:11] or two tiny little links that blink and you miss it, a little icon. Most people never do. Um, and so what's going on is that um it's called AI interview uh overview, right? Um news websites are say are saying that they're seeing their web traffic has declined by as much as 50%. Ever since Google AI overview was inter was uh in was introduced now. >> Wow. Basically, it's not news that like

[53:42] basically print newspapers are where 99 well 90% plus of all news reporting comes from, right? If it's on the radio, if it's on TV, it's on the internet, it came out of a print newspaper. And those papers have been in trouble since 1960. >> That's 1960 is when newspaper circulation peaked out. Then TV started eroding at it. Um, then in the 90s, the internet came into play. uh information wants to be free. They gave away a lot of their [ __ ] Craigslist ate up all the

[54:12] classified ads. The internet ate up all of the display ads. And it's just been death by a million very large gashes really. And so this, you know, now you're looking at a situation where like the LA Times may very well be out of business by the end of next year. Fourth largest. >> It kind of looks like that. Yeah. So, you know, we're we're we're looking at we already have major news deserts in smaller towns. Um Canton, Ohio lost its newspaper a couple of years ago. Um and

[54:43] it's going to happen more and more. So, there's whole sections of the country that have no local reporting. It's a golden age for political corruption. Um and so, uh basically there's the the publishers are fighting back a little bit. They're they're they're suing uh these big tech companies, but they're [ __ ] right? I mean, it's too late. It's too little too late, isn't it? >> Yeah, it seems that way. Even my own little local newspaper, the Newcastle News, which I I try to scan every day,

[55:14] became so expensive, you know, I spend what, like 50 bucks a year on the Post, 60 bucks a year on the Times, whatever it is, just to have access. But the little Newcastle news that does not have a Wednesday edition or a Sunday edition is $250 a year. I can't afford $250 a year for a, you know, a 16page uh local newspaper. And as a result, they can't afford to hire journalists.

[55:45] The editor is like 28 years old. They they cover the local, you know, county fair and the farm show and and who grew the biggest pumpkin and what the local churches are up to. But you're right, it's a news desert. There's no there's no other way to describe it. I suppose, you know, you can if you want regional news, you can subscribe to one of the Pittsburgh papers, but even the Youngsttown Vindicator, and Youngsttown was a big city. it at 110 120,000 people

[56:16] and it's it's done. Its papers done. The Youngsttown vindicator. >> I I mean I have to say I really don't understand why. I mean I would like to the the remedy here is civil court, right? But it seems to me like this is something Congress if it had any sense of responsibility whatsoever would take a look at in trying to trying to protect news gathering. I mean it benefits polit I know they don't like journalists because journalists can expose their

[56:46] skull dugy but I mean it's but don't but it's kind of still to their advantage because they need the media to publicize their campaigns and their messages. It's how they they get free advertising in between elections. Um, you would think that they would just have an interest in propping up these news organizations and passing a law that a basic I mean what's needed here is a revenue sharing model, right? Like if you if you scrape my content from my paper that I own, you have to pay me.

[57:17] >> Yes. Yes. There's got to be, you know, I remember back in 2000 when when the internet was just starting to get a real foothold. It had been around six, seven, eight years, whatever it was. And I remember my my start screen being Washingtonpost.com. And I remember thinking again 25 years ago, how are they going to make money if I can read the entire newspaper for free online?

[57:48] Why would I buy it? That doesn't make any sense. And the the hard copy paper, of course, you know, on Sundays there'd be a hundred pages of ads. You're not getting that online. >> Yeah. I don't know that I don't know that like the newspaper uh Barons ever gave any thought really to the way people actually consume their product. Um you know uh when this all went started in the mid to late 1990s uh my thought was what really makes sense. I mean I I I still was reading a print

[58:19] paper and reading online. Now to this day I'm a subscri I'm a digital subscriber to the New York Times and the Washington Post. If I subscribe to the print edition or if I pick up the print edition, most of what's in there I read yesterday online already. >> Yep. >> Now, that that product costs more. Yes. >> Than the product that I'm paying for. >> This should be exactly the way other way around. I think the internet should be for breaking news that tells you it should tell you what just happened. You know, Israel just invaded Kunis and Gaza

[58:51] City. Tomorrow in the print edition, there should be big deep dive analysis pieces that explain >> what happened la, you know, yesterday and what's likely to happen in in like the days ahead. Sort of like analogous to the way that the news weeklys that role that Time Newsweek, US News and World Report used to play. >> That's right. That's exactly right. >> But nobody listens to Ted R. >> No. Or John Kuryaku. But, you know, at least we're cute. Um,

[59:24] all right. So, JRock want to know, why is Jake Tapper so miserable? >> I don't know. If I was making what Jake Taber makes, I'd be pretty darn happy all the time. >> Yeah, I know. That's how I feel about it, too. Heaven knows I'm miserable now, as the as the Smiths once saying. Um, you know, I ran into a friend of mine, a fellow cartoonist with whom I'm often confused at a bar the other day and uh

[59:55] he was he was saying like, "Ah, I'm depressed." I'm like, "You love it. You love to make yourself miserable." He goes, "Fuck you." And then he started laughing because he's like, "You're right." Uh Jake strikes me as he might be that person, but I'm not going to psychoanalyze a guy who um you know, who's not here. Um anyway, uh a this is great. Peter Ivy says, "We're listening to Ted Roll and John Kiryaku." That's right. >> So you're happy. You're happy.

[1:00:26] >> Um anyway, yeah, here we go. This Ted, that was the uh Cobalt Chimera says, "Ted, that was the whole fight for ages. Advertising, referral links, summaries, substitute for original product in copyright." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, that's right. Um, so, um, Oh, yeah, you know, this has come up and I guess we probably should. Where is this question? Uh, everything is going by so fast here. Someone asked about the is do we want to talk about

[1:00:58] the Israeli pedophile thing again or not? We kind of already talked about it. >> You know, the only thing that's new is is the um the Justice Department said that they played no role in this at all. Nothing at all. I find that very hard to believe because because we're talking about electronic images uh and we're talking about electronic communications to try to meet up with a with an underage girl. That would make it federal. So what? The Justice Department just told

[1:01:29] the local authorities in Las Vegas to handle it and they let the guy go and he just ran back to Israel. I don't know. Somebody's lying. >> Yeah. Yeah. agreed. Um, Russia and Ukraine basically uh Trump wants it's not a formal deadline, but Trump would like uh Putin to meet with uh Zalinski by Friday. >> By Friday. >> And uh and I I assume Trump will be there, too, although he's not formally committing to that yet. What do you think? I mean, right now it's I think the silence is the negotiations to try

[1:02:01] to make that happen. Yeah, >> I would I would hope that that's the case. Um, the international media seem to believe that um that the Russians aren't interested in meeting with Silinski, at least not on Friday. >> But I think >> Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they be? >> Because they're winning. >> But they're not winning at fast speed, right? >> No. No. But there has to be something in it for them more than than what they're apparently being offered, >> right?

[1:02:31] >> I mean, I hope they do. I I'd love to see this thing come to an end ASAP. Like I've said a thousand times, if we're going to be, you know, peace activists or supporters of peace, then by God, let's be supporters of peace, uh rather than to to watch all this posturing. But um I don't know. I'm just not seeing a rush to the negotiating table. >> Last but not least, I believe this will be last Oklahoma. Um, PRA has is has adopted a new teacher

[1:03:05] screening test that requires uh applicants from blue states like New York and California to get a perfect score on a 50 question exam in order to weed out quote unquote woke people. You know what's funny too is that states like Oklahoma and Kansas are having serious problems attracting teachers. >> And in fact, in fact, in places like

[1:03:38] Kansas City, Kansas, those teachers are resigning and moving to Missouri, right? Where they don't have to put up with silliness like this. Same thing in Oklahoma. They're just moving to Texas, moving to other states where they're treated like human beings. They don't have to go through this political indoctrination. So, here's some questions from that from that test. Number one, what are the first three words of the Constitution? A, in God we trust. B, life, liberty, and happiness. C, the United States. D,

[1:04:09] we the people. I mean, I know the answers to that. >> Yeah, me too. All right. >> If you're a teacher and you don't know the answer, then share. Why is freedom of religion important to America's identity? A, it makes Christianity the national religion. B, it bans all form of public worship. C, it limits religious teaching in public life. D, it protects religious choice from government control. Number three. Oh, here this is I'll just do one more. Number five. Why do some states have more representatives than

[1:04:40] others? >> A, they cover a larger geographic area. B. They have held statehood for a longer period. C. The number is determined by military presence. D. Representative representation is determined by population size. I mean, you'd have to be really a [ __ ] to not be able. >> Yeah, very much so. Although, you know what? When I was serving in Bahrain, we had a uh we had a secretary in the political section who thought that the

[1:05:11] State Department was a division of the Pentagon. Oh my. >> Yeah, there are a lot of lot of dum dums out there. >> Yeah. Yeah, there are. Um, yeah, this is funny. Uh, Houdini says, "I lived in Oklahoma. They need all the teachers they can get." >> Hilarious. And Nick Otto says, "The top superintendent of all Oklahoma public schools currently embroiled in a porn scandal on his TV in the office. The

[1:05:42] porn was allegedly se by seen by students. Lovely people all around. OMG. And then we'll last and we'll leave it there. DNI Tulsi Gabbard announced overhaul of the department of her department cutting over 40% of staff. >> I mentioned today in in a podcast that when the ODNI, the office of the director of national intelligence was first created, it had 16 employees. Now it has 20,000 employees. So yeah, they

[1:06:13] need to cut staff. >> So the idea for DNI was post 911, right? To put to have more coordination behind between all the agencies, >> especially as it related to the budget. Yes. >> Well, bureaucracy grows and grows and grows. Um, all right. Good. >> Thanks everyone for joining us. Uh, appreciate it. You're here Monday through Friday, 5:00 p. a.m., which means we will be back tomorrow, Thursday, at 5:00 p. p.m. Eastern time. No idea what we'll have to talk about, but we will talk about something. >> Ted, do we have any ads before we leave?

[1:06:45] >> Oh, good, good, good question. Let's take a look at the Rumble feed here. Looks like uh No, we don't. >> Okay. >> Oh, actually, maybe we do. Um, you know, okay. Honestly, I have to admit I'm a little greedy. It tells you how much you get and and the money is so little. I'm gonna let you go. >> Like two and a half bucks. Yeah. >> Not even. >> Yeah. I'm like, you know what's the word I'm looking for? [ __ ] that. Yeah.

[1:07:16] >> So, >> okay. Well, I'm deprogrammed. >> I am I am completely deprogrammed. Uh we will I'll figure out how to take that that uh DNI comment offline somehow. Anyway, thanks everybody and uh talk to you later. See you tomorrow. Oh, please like, follow, and share the show. Just a reminder, if you're not watching this on Rumble, please do um if you become Rumble Premium, you can watch us for five bucks or you can watch everything on Rumble for 10 bucks a month. And we get paid a lot lot lot lot more. Believe

[1:07:48] me, John and I are looking at these numbers every single day to see if we're going to be able to make our rent. So, um it's and so far we can't. So, uh the things are moving in the right direction. Thank you so much for that. Thanks for all the generous financial contributions as well. And so anyway, take care and see you tomorrow night. >> Thanks everybody.
